I went through the So-Matome N1 Listening and Reading books, as well as the New Kanzen Master Listening and Reading books. The last book that I went. I finished Kanzen Master N2 several months ago, and now I’m tackling the Kanzen Master’s N1 series. I finished the grammar book with great. i was wondering then if the N1 course of Shin Kanzen Master would be good for this? It’s targeted specially for JLPT, so i don’t know how well.
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To submit a translation request, visit here instead. This is not the full list of rules. Please also read the full list of rules on the wiki. Hey, so basically i’m going to make a big order on amazon jp kwnzen the following days and i want to buy every textbook i can to save on shipping fees since i’m going to buy them anyway.
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I will probably move on from tobira in the next weeks but after authentic japanese japan times, N2i don’t really know where to head to. I know i should branch out to native materials and i will start adding anlot of them as soon i i’m done with tobira, but i really like learning vocab and grammar through serious “traditional” studies, i found that it works really better for me, like i used to try pokemon green after genki but it was very tedious, i didn’t understand half of what i was reading and no amount of anki was helping it, but after a good chunk of tobira i can understand almost everything important properly for real and it makes it really more fun and exciting when i actually don’t know something.
It’s targeted specially for JLPT, so i don’t know how well they would work like that. What do you guys think? Hopefully I can give you some helpful suggestions on books, but I would like to preface this by saying that the body of knowledge you gain from studying for the JLPT is different from that which would you gain from studying through a progression of more traditional textbooks.
There will be significant overlap, of course, but they are not equivalent.
I think I am familiar with most of the advanced Japanese textbooks geared toward English speakers, and own most of them. I took Japanese in college through the advanced level and then kept it up on my own subsequently. I failed by a couple points. I retook in after about half a year of studying dedicated N1 materials for hours a day and passed quite comfortably the second time around.
More to the point of your question, years back when I was in college, my m1 offered 5 levels of Japanese language instruction.
Year 1 used a prototype of Elementary Japanese, which my teachers wrote and has been available to the public for several years now. Year 2 back in the day when I was there used an Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese, which I would classify as around low-mid N3 level. It’s still not a bad text. In more recent years they have transitioned over to Tobira, which is a better one, and Mastdr would consider around the mid-high N3 level.
Year 3 used both Authentic Japanese and Rapid Reading Japanese in parallel, both of which you seem set on using.
I would agree that these are at the N2 level, and are the best texts to use after Tobira. I feel there is a substantial jump in difficulty between Tobira and Authentic Japanese, just as there is between N3 and N2.
I think I probably could mastdr passed N2 after third year Japanese, with some dedicated studying.
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Mster 4 used authentic materials, but also used a traditional text – Images of Japan: For Pre-Advanced and Advanced Learners. You can occasionally find the texts separately or in the boxed set on Amazon, for varying prices.
It has not been updated in quite some time, however. Year 5 used authentic materials, but also kanzenn a traditional text – Facets of Culture: Mastr Advanced Learners of Japanese.
This is beyond N1 level and is basically at the level of college coursework in a Japanese university. I think this might be out of print, but I have seen it in bookstores in Japan. Occasionally you might come across these on Amazon. It is still available in big Japanese bookstores. The big Kinokuniya in Shinjuku has copies. It also has not been updated in quite some time.
It is published by the same publisher as Images of Japan.
I can give my recs for JLPT materials separately if anyone is interested. I am very grateful for your post as i was pretty interested at Images of Japan but some stuff i saw made me think it was at the same level of Authentic Japanese.
What do you think about them images of japan and Facets of culturespecially compared to Tobira and authentic japanese? How do they work basically like for grammar, lessons and stuff? My goal is really to learn and understand the language, i like some added stuff about geography and culture for thematic purpose, but it’s really the language learning grammar, vocabulary For the Facets of culture, it’s even worse because it’s 3 times the price with the audio compared to new separate books!
Seems the boxed versions are out of print, and only second hand people have them so they take advantage of this situation and sells them for way too much UPDATE: Do you know if they offer the audio on a website like tobira does? I would really like the audio because i have no one to talk to and so far the audio of the books were my only oral training, so i’ll miss a lot if i don’t have it I mean i don’t even have a CD reader on top of that.
And again, thanks so much for your help, that’s exactly the kind of answer i needed and sorry for all of these questions, it’s just it’s so rare to get some good recommandations for these levels. I have no interest in JLPT particularly, i study mainly just to learn the language and be able to enjoy the culture, which i’m very fond of I don’t even intend to go work there so finding non JLPT specific ressource is kind of a struggle for me.
Where do you live? Are there any Japanese bookstores in your area? The Japanese language section might have other texts that would suit your needs. Images of Japan is definitely not at the same level as Authentic Japanese, despite the confusing use of the terms “pre-advanced” and “advanced.
I do not know if the audio is available anywhere online. What other books were you thinking of buying from Amazon? I tried to call the “biggest japanese bookstore in france” that is located in paris to ask if they had the books and what they would recommend for after authentic japanese, and nor only did they not know what it was, they didn’t even know what genki is, so, there’s that xD.
Post 9 is the post that I think you are referring to. I find that to be unusual and surprising. Even if what the poster says is true, I think that especially for a self-learner, the jump between those books would be so vast that ideally Tobira and Authentic Japanese are tackled beforehand. I would emphasize that the poster was taking classes, and had access to instructor support I think an independent learner would find that very challenging. Post 12 claims Images of Japan is in the N3-N2 range.
I will get back to you on Images of Japan. What I would say again for now is that my school…and I trained at UC Berkeley, which has one of the best Japanese programs in the country…we used Authentic Japanese in 3rd year and Images of Japan in 4th year. In fact, the very last unit of 3rd year Japanese, after we finished all of Authentic Japanese and Rapid Reading Japanese, was actually the 1st chapter of Images of Japan. Those are all reasonable opinions.
Images of Japan is definitely a step up in difficulty, even if there is grammar overlap. It is also slightly more technical, and much more dated, as the second edition was published in Going back to the comments that you brought up before, I have somewhat mixed feelings. The comments from that Amazon review are pretty spot in, in terms of comparable grammar coverage, but a step up in terms of reading. At the N2-N1 level, most texts are going to be authentic materials, and relative difficulty is subjective.
I still think the latter is somewhat more difficult due to longer and more technical texts, requiring more kanji and vocab knowledge. Images of Japan is nice to have in addition if you can get ahold of it, but perhaps not absolutely essential.
If you do go through it, you will learn a ton of vocab and kanji not covered in Authentic Japanese. If you skip it, you’ll still get a pretty good grammar foundation from Authentic Japanese. Facets of Culture is unambiguously the most difficult of the lot.
By the time you get to that level of mastery you should be able to access native texts, rather than needing to go for textbooks. The DVD is 2. The textbook contains full transcripts of all the interviews on the DVD, as well as vocab lists. The videos are entertaining, too. Do you think doing like authentic japanese and going straight to Facets of culture would be a good idea, like the transition will be ok? I feel that after authentic japanese, one may still somewhat struggle with the language and maybe need additional grammar training.
Actually, i kinda want to attain a “similar” level that one would have after shin kanzen master n1 without the huge emphasis on JLPT stuff and in a more textbook way, because i’m not sure authentic would be enough and that some important grammar notions that i may encounter in native materials like rpg may be missing from it: Your last recommandation seems pretty cool though, will definitely check on that.
Haha, depends on your motivation and mastery, I suppose – I don’t see why not, though. It would just be a bigger jump, I think. But Authentic Japanese is already at a pretty high level and most of the materials at that level are already going to be drawn from authentic materials, so it’s largely a matter of opinion at that point.
I think once you get there, your grammar base will be pretty solid, it’s largely a matter of acquiring vocab and kanji knowledge subsequently. IMO getting up to N2 level covers a level of grammar sufficient for daily life. Numerous exceptions of course. Admittedly, however, the level of reading comprehension, listening comprehension, vocab, and kanji covered on N1 is quite vast, so in the course of studying for N1 you will power up those areas considerably, which will help your overall Japanese ability.
Thank you very much for everything: Hi, I don’t really have much to say but wanted to thank you for such a thorough reply! This is very useful information for anyone looking for higher level stuff beyond the usual JLPT prep books. Depending on your level I think end of Tobira is N3ish? Someone correct me please you might want to grab the N2 books aswell. Oh, I thought you just meant “authentic” Japanese. I’ve literally never heard of that book so I can’t say anything about it.
I would still suggest that you use the Kanzen Master one as well.